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As the Bessie just isn't selling we have put it with Motorhomedepot, but their rep spotted a problem, the revenue weight isn't on the V5, so he has to list it as 3850kg as this is what the Bessacarr data plate says, I have been ringing DVLA customer services all day and all I get is a busy message, they are not doing email or chat sessions.
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hi kev


 i was advised to  phone and press the key as a key worker that was advised to me by someone at the dvla if it is for an important reason

not the best way but needs must and even delivery drivers are key workers




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I'm retired Barry and wouldn't want to do that.
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As the Bessie just isn't selling we have put it with Motorhomedepot, but their rep spotted a problem, the revenue weight isn't on the V5, so he has to list it as 3850kg as this is what the Bessacarr data plate says, I have been ringing DVLA customer services all day and all I get is a busy message, they are not doing email or chat sessions.


Is the MGW 3850kg?

I am not sure what your problem is other than the Revenue Weight is not shown. Is there more? 
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Yes, not e everyone has a licence to drive the higher weight.
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Yes, not e everyone has a licence to drive the higher weight.


Yes I understand that.
Am I right to presume that the motorhome has to you knowledge a MGW of 3500kg but the Bessacar plate shows 3850kg? There is no other plate that supersedes that such as a SV Tech plate [ my Motorhome is the reverse of that i.e. The Pilote plate shows a MGW of 3500kg but is is superseded by a SV Tech one showing 3850kg]?

What does the V5c have as Section X Taxation Class?

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hi kev


sorry to hear you are having problems with the  weight of the bessie

do you know for sure what the weight should be

what was the taxation class last time it was taxed and it may also say also  on the mot  and that would confirm what the weight that they have on record is

does the logbook say private hgv  or private lgv

i also did not want to phone the dvla key workers line but after phoning the replacement logbook line where you pay £25 for a new logbook

i was advised it would be fine to phone the key workers line as they were not so busy anymore

and in your case if you wanted to tax the van you could be breaking the law by having the wrong road tax and licance 


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I got through this morning and it looks like a minefield to get 3500kg on the V5, I need to have a certificate from Bessacarr, which I know will only say 3850kg as it is their weight at label on the van, so pointless, it says private light goods PLG on the V5.
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hi kev

does  PLG not imply that it is under 3500kg

also what class mot does it have


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I got through this morning and it looks like a minefield to get 3500kg on the V5, I need to have a certificate from Bessacarr, which I know will only say 3850kg as it is their weight at label on the van, so pointless, it says private light goods PLG on the V5.


If it is PLG then DVLA already accept it has a MGW of 3500kg.  If so there must have been a down plate sometime in the past. Off course I do not know the history of the motorhome such as  when you took ownership etc. so can only make assumptions. I do not know if it was PLG when you bought it etc. or if there is a further plate that supercedes the Bessacar one but you haven't found it.

In any event if you had a plate showing the MGW at 3500kg then your problem would be solved at a stroke.  I would not bother with Bessacar but approach a company such as SV tech who would possibly supply a plate, at a cost of course, once you had explained the situation.
When you had this plate you could then send your V5c to DVLA with evidence such as a photo or copy of the plate or  SV Tech normally supply a certificate. Complete Section 1 change of vehicle details with the 'New Revenue Weight' 3500kg and a covering letter with the evidence.


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hi kev

does  PLG not imply that it is under 3500kg

also what class mot does it have


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All vehicles registered as motor caravans are Class 4 MOT, it is not weight dependant.
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All vehicles registered as motor caravans are Class 4 MOT, it is not weight dependant.



hi ray thanks for reminding me of that


to much swimming around in my head at the moment

son with 500k mortgage just been informed that he is going to be made redundant

luckily his wife has a good job but i am sure bank of mum and dad will have to help
 
kids nowadays want everything the best and now not later so i am wondering if the cars are also on the knock

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My old Moho was 3850 but plg  in the logbook, when I queried it Dvla said I could change to phg  and the road fund license was only £125 a year  , I didn’t bother cos we were going to Austria and I was told they would charge me at hgv prices, never did change it.
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My old Moho was 3850 but plg  in the logbook, when I queried it Dvla said I could change to phg  and the road fund license was only £125 a year  , I didn’t bother cos we were going to Austria and I was told they would charge me at hgv prices, never did change it.


That would not be an option if Kev was keeping it but that would be a way forward if it  is being sold. It could make it more attractive to some buyers who have C1 licence.


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What a minefield this revenue weight has become, Liz and I are going to leave it as 3850kg, I just weighed it and it's 3200kg, not really enough for two people and the gubbins they need for a holiday really, and that is with £20 diesel and empty tanks.


Thanks for the responses.

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HI KEV

hopefully for us both the majority of buyers will have the licence for the 3850 vans


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There are plenty between 45 and 70 hopefully, and they are the ones with the money.
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What a minefield this revenue weight has become, Liz and I are going to leave it as 3850kg, I just weighed it and it's 3200kg, not really enough for two people and the gubbins they need for a holiday really, and that is with £20 diesel and empty tanks.


Thanks for the responses.


Then you will still have to apply to DVLA to  insert the Revenue Weight as 3850kg. This may not worry you and you may not bother and leave things as they are.

The problem is that it is in the incorrect VED Class and should be PHGV. To change it  to the correct one use form V70 plus V5C section 1 Tax class amended to PHGV. Include a covering letter explaining that it is in the incorrect vED class plus a photo of the Bessacar weight plate.

https://www.gov.uk/change-vehicle-tax-class/tax-not-due-to-run-out

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/845575/application-to-change-vehicle-tax-v70.pdf
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There are plenty between 45 and 70 hopefully, and they are the ones with the money.


I would not worry too much Kev. We hit the ‘damn number’ recently and didn’t want to change our Mohawk, so just did the medical. - No problem. The only downside was paying the GP and Optician. The rest was simple. I am sure there are many others like us. We would rather have the extra payload than downsize. Of course there will be some people who don’t want to do a medical......or might not pass one......but there will be lots of people who want a bigger van.  Also, as you said, there are lots of younger people who won’t need a medical yet, and if they have children they might need a bigger van. 😁

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