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It isn´t the DVLA I would have deal with Ernie, being across the little pond.
After I have sorted everything out and loaded up with what I need I will get it weighed again.

Sorry to hear about your problem and hope once you get your eyes sorted you will be ready to go.

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I did a thread about when I replated mine from 350o to 4100 it was a paperwork exercise for me. 

I always fill my water tank when we go away. We have the ability to carry water and why should I worry about having to find water at the end of the trip? I always wild camp and I don’t want to go looking. If I didn’t want to carry it then I may just as well get a caravan ( cough, spit!) 

my suggestion for you is to load the van, fill with water, full of fuel, full complement of clothes, full of food etc.etc.

then go get it weighed, then start to worry if you must. 

going over 3500 men’s different speed limits - my garmin tells me the revised limits according to my new weight, so I turned it off, I still appear 3500 outside 😉



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No man should have to go in a van without his tools and spares, that would just be tempting fate and asking for trouble. It would I’m sure end up being all your fault and the question being asked WELL WHY  haven’t YOU got your tools with you .😉👈
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The reason for the difference in the Fiat and Autotrail GVW is that AT downrated it to appeal to more buyers. They will give you a letter confirming this to send to DVLA to uprate it again to 3650 if you wished to have a greater payload.

I don't usually put my personal stuff on here but it might be relevant to this discussion. As I sailed through the 70's C1 medical three years ago I then uprated my van to 3700. Unfortunately in December I failed the eyesight element of the renewal medical. After some investigation it was thought that if I had my cataract done I should scrape through and this is happening shortly.

I then have to hope I pass or go though the faff of downrating the van agan and perennially being overweight (which is why I uprated in the first instance!)     

The reason the older AT's sail so close to the wind is that the interiors are made of substantial (and therefore heavy) ply and and other good stuff and therefore the payload suffers to get it under the magic 3500 figure. The answer might be to get a newer 'tinny' one with sufficient payload but am reluctant to go down that route.   

Hans had the right idea but I also have problems with Mrs S in dispensing with stuff; she would rather that I dumped spares and tools [eek]





I had the cataract operation last year Ernie and don’t even need glasses to drive or read now. I am sure you will be fine. Let us know how you get on.

As for leaving tools behind......the time to worry is when Mrs. Steptoe decides to leave you behind! 🤣

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I had the cataract operation last year Ernie and don’t even need glasses to drive or read now. I am sure you will be fine. Let us know how you get on.

As for leaving tools behind......the time to worry is when Mrs. Steptoe decides to leave you behind! 🤣


Thanks for the kind wishes Lin, and both opticians are sure it will work; aggravatingly it came down to me misreading a K as an X despite being given a couple of goes at the chart...grrrr

The vision in my poorer eye improved greatly after that was done a couple of years ago so I'm very confident, however I daren't make any firm plans just yet.

I proved the usefulness of carrying spares when a friends fuel filter sprung a leak followed by mine a couple of years later, what could have been a recovery situation turned into a 10 minute changeover on site (they always leak when you arrive on site or stop for fuel somewhere, never when you arrive home [rolleyes] [wink]

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I've rambled on about cataracts and filters without summing up the problem.....

As I found it impossible to get the van weight down to 3500 and still be able to live in it (and we did unload lots of stuff!) I did the sensible thing and upped the weight to 3700 which made us legal.

My C1 category expired on the 31st of December so I can't now legally drive the van unless I downrate it to 3500 again and then drive it around in an *overweight* condition.

Which is the lesser offence? Bearing in mind that the van is obviously quite safe to drive *overweight* as I have a document to confirm this. A rhetorical question of course,  but does illustrates the issue of whether to buy or uprate a van over 3500 if approaching 70   

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It's about time these weight limits were reappraisal, modern tyres brakes and suspension.
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It's about time these weight limits were reappraisal, modern tyres brakes and suspension.


They have been in Spain, now here a Group B licence held for more than 2 years allows you to drive up to 4100kg. The only problem is that this is only valid for Spain. Drive across the border to France, Portugal or Andorra and 3500kg still applies. I thought everything was supposed to be the same no matter where you were in the EU, obviously not.

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As suggested many, many times on various forums a large majority of 3500Kg vans are permanently overweight when being used.

I've recently changed our van to something smaller, my previous Pilote which we had owned for a few years, loved and suited us very well was grossly overweight.
Mainly because of the increased focus on many sites to overweight, about a year ago whilst planning a trip to Norway thought I'd check our weight, 3680 Kg, bit of a problem then!, especially as not everything for the trip was on board.

Took the decision to make the trip anyway and chance it, the original Mercedes plate showed 3850 Kg. so could have relatively easily been able to replate to that.

Had a couple of panic moments on the transit through Germany both ways, as whilst on motorways encountered one of many tail back hold ups but these were not for road works or accidents but weigh stations, I stayed in the over 3500 Kg lane and kept close to the artic in front and got through on both occasions without being pulled over.

A survey carried out by a Danish caravan and motorhome website 
https://caravaninfo.dk/ which polled 8500 people found that 6.38% had been stopped and weighed in Germany, Denmark second with 2.13%, Norway and Austria came in at 1.06%, the others which included France were 0%.

So from that statistic you could suggest the likelihood of being stopped and weighed outside of Germany was pretty small.
Obviously the detail of the survey would need to be known before jumping to conclusions.

Best bet is to ensure you are within the limit of your allowance [smile][wink]




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As I live in Germany, its either that or keep off the Autobahn as we have so far.


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I have about 400kg spare with nothing on board
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As suggested many, many times on various forums a large majority of 3500Kg vans are permanently overweight when being used.

I've recently changed our van to something smaller, my previous Pilote which we had owned for a few years, loved and suited us very well was grossly overweight.
Mainly because of the increased focus on many sites to overweight, about a year ago whilst planning a trip to Norway thought I'd check our weight, 3680 Kg, bit of a problem then!, especially as not everything for the trip was on board.

Took the decision to make the trip anyway and chance it, the original Mercedes plate showed 3850 Kg. so could have relatively easily been able to replate to that.

Had a couple of panic moments on the transit through Germany both ways, as whilst on motorways encountered one of many tail back hold ups but these were not for road works or accidents but weigh stations, I stayed in the over 3500 Kg lane and kept close to the artic in front and got through on both occasions without being pulled over.

A survey carried out by a Danish caravan and motorhome website 
https://caravaninfo.dk/ which polled 8500 people found that 6.38% had been stopped and weighed in Germany, Denmark second with 2.13%, Norway and Austria came in at 1.06%, the others which included France were 0%.

So from that statistic you could suggest the likelihood of being stopped and weighed outside of Germany was pretty small.
Obviously the detail of the survey would need to be known before jumping to conclusions.

Best bet is to ensure you are within the limit of your allowance [smile][wink]





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Hi Paul, went for a Frankia T640 FF2, I'm a big Frankia fan, having previously owned them.
This one is a bit different to most anything we have had before, it has no fixed bed but a massive u shaped rear lounge that easily converts to two single beds, quite a novel idea for the toilet area, where the sink is raised or lowered depending on whether you want to use the loo or the sink, with an excellent separate shower.
Being very high spec for equipment and fittings and relatively short at 6.4 metres although rather high at 3.1 metres it comes as original equipment with spare wheel, steadies 120 litre fuel tank etc. all within it's "empty" weight of 3145 Kg so enough spare for us and our bits.

I will miss the V6 Merc engine and auto box but won't miss the blancmange ride of the Mercedes chassis. I won't miss the continual worry on the road of being pulled over and weighed or the fuel consumption.

Main dislike was the table, huge great thing that had rails from front of cab to rear of hab area, I've removed the rails and filled them in and have sourced a fold up free standing table that I can store on the wall of the toilet area. Original table weighed in at 28 KG with rails another 3 Kg, new table complete is only 6.5 Kg.

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Hi Paul, went for a Frankia T640 FF2, I'm a big Frankia fan, having previously owned them.
This one is a bit different to most anything we have had before, it has no fixed bed but a massive u shaped rear lounge that easily converts to two single beds, quite a novel idea for the toilet area, where the sink is raised or lowered depending on whether you want to use the loo or the sink, with an excellent separate shower.
Being very high spec for equipment and fittings and relatively short at 6.4 metres although rather high at 3.1 metres it comes as original equipment with spare wheel, steadies 120 litre fuel tank etc. all within it's "empty" weight of 3145 Kg so enough spare for us and our bits.

I will miss the V6 Merc engine and auto box but won't miss the blancmange ride of the Mercedes chassis. I won't miss the continual worry on the road of being pulled over and weighed or the fuel consumption.

Main dislike was the table, huge great thing that had rails from front of cab to rear of hab area, I've removed the rails and filled them in and have sourced a fold up free standing table that I can store on the wall of the toilet area. Original table weighed in at 28 KG with rails another 3 Kg, new table complete is only 6.5 Kg.


Sounds a beauty John, same length and height as our little Concorde.
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I will probably travel on motorway more often that we did. Any thoughts please?

Be aware Jan that motorway driving is even more boring when you're on your own! I avoid whenever possible.
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Be aware Jan that motorway driving is even more boring when you're on your own! I avoid whenever possible.


Of course you are right Jean we always hated the motorway, very boring, but coming home from Heike on a Sunday was not too bad, no hold ups, only going a bit slow at times, not many lorries to get stuck behind to block your view.

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