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Just collected this:



1999 Mercedes 614d minibus, 18 seater, 91k miles.

Watch this space [biggrin][biggrin]

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Looks exciting Peter, a conversion project I assume.  Do let us know,
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oooh, you going to do bus tours mister? [biggrin]
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We are going to convert into a motorhome, have lined up two or three caravans to select one for getting the interior parts we need.

It will also tow the trailer which we are keeping.

Nothing is going to happen until October when we will have finished this year's shows and had our house-sitting trip to California.

Intention is for a double bed from two side singles as in the trailer, full bathroom with shower and cassette toilet, water heater, full kitchen with decent oven and fridge and refillable LPG tank underneath.

Maybe room for a bunk as well, but we will also want to carry one of the engines in the back so need to leave room for that. As it already has full-length windows, we are going to keep as much as we can below the window line and have curtains. The bathroom will have four walls obviously [smile]

It has air brakes and stops pretty well (don't ask me how I know!)

Nasty accident on the M1 last evening as we were coming back from Banbury, northbound completely shut and it looked nasty, lorry and four cars involved, sat in the rubbernecking jam for 40 minutes, no problems with vehicle at all.

Got to fit a couple of seats for passengers, the bus seats are all coming out and will go on ebay for horsebox conversions, we're looking out for a couple of decent Discovery 2 front seats and seatbelts.

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Do you airport transferes?[biggrin][smile] Colin
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Do you airport transferes?[biggrin][smile] Colin


It still has PSV Certificate of Fitness, but the seats are coming out this weekend, so sadly, no. [smile]

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It's going up to our farm storage for a few weeks while we sort out parking in front of the house by the trailer, means moving a few tons of engine stuff [frown]

I'll get some pictures of it before we take it up there.

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How long and wide is it Peter? The bodywork looks in good condition from the photograph.

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How long and wide is it Peter? The bodywork looks in good condition from the photograph.

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7 metres long, 2.6 metres wide and 2.9 metres high.

Interior length from the step behind the driver's seat to the back doors is 180.5" or 15' 1/2",  widsth between the lining is 74" or 6' 2" or  1.88  metres. Didn't measure the interior height.

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Spent the morning getting a few jobs done, driver's door mirror loose, take out some of the 'bus' hardware, mend a puncture (inside rear n/s) take off the rear step which interfered with our towbar coupling and so on.

Discussed with Rita and Philip how we were going to arrange the interior and what jobs needed doing on the bodywork.

Took it up the farm and parked it out of sight of the main road [biggrin]

Until you get it up against our LWB Renault Trafic, you don't realise just how big a lump it is:



Chocks under the wheels as we had both rear wheels off the other side.

Cab area quite clear now we have removed two big bits of orange metalwork:





Cab front is pretty tidy, we left the small handrail in place, but will probably paint it blue. Cubby hole below main glovebox now holds a new hydraulic jack, got to get a tool set and spare wheel + carrier, probably left out to save weight:



Seating in blue added after wheelchair hoist taken off, tracks in floor to lock wheelchairs down to I believe. Flourescents all work, it appears to be a 24V electrical system, dictated by the starter motor needs of the engine:



Mileage looks genuine, we found a weekly inspection book inside that goes back to 2012 and corroborates the displayed mileage:



Once the puncture was sorted it handled a lot better [biggrin][biggrin]

Gross weight is 5990kg, GCW or GTW is 13000kgs (with power brakes on the trailer, the 614D has air over hydraulic brakes) so no trouble running with the 3500kg trailer we have already.

We seem to have an engine brake fitted, got to suss that one out.

Rear axle is HUGE!  The sort of thing I'd associate with a 16 tonner. Shouldn't break that in a hurry. Rear disc pads are new, haven't checked the fronts.

Tyres are 6-7mm tread depth, will probably fit a new set new year.

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Looking good, it seems a lot leave the tracks in the floor as they're a PITA to remove, then you need to fill the voids, so they just cover the lot.
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Peter

Looks a really good project. Will be very interested in your updates. Same as Pudsey Bear's.

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Mines mostly finished, just the back doors to get done and a few tweeks.
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The chassis has runners 'under' the floor through which the seats are bolted. Too much aggro to take out, so we will fill the bolt holes with resin and leave alone.

The wheelchair lashing tracks are the same, no need to take them out, but might be useful for anchoring our winch. The engine that is going to be carried will need to be pulled up into the back sideways, so we only lose about 4ft of the rear floor area. The newest engine hasn't been put together yet, but should be about 650kg or so.

Unladen weight is on the side of the van at 4260kg, so we need to lose a fair bit yet. 5990kg is max gross weight, unless we uprate it to 7490kg, which I think is just a tyre change, looking into that right now.

Window base height is quite low at 27-1/2", most of the fitting will go above that, so we'll need to have a backing panel behind the kitchen and obviously the bathroom will need to be fully enclosed. Going to use honeycomb again, expensive but light and strong, and impervious to water.

We have an electric vent fan in the roof towards the back, so we may put a ducting to go over the top of the bathroom to take steam out.

Looking at an under-floor LPG torpedo tank from Tinley Tech, plus twin fillers a la trailer. The van is long, 7 metres so getting onto a pump with this width of vehicle may be an issue.

Speed limits raise their ugly head, over 3.05tonnes we are restricted to van speeds, and if towing it's possibly going to be less.

First urgent job is to get the leaking aerial sorted out, that has stained the headlining and obviously not been done, so need to catch it before it gets worse.

Tyres: I can get brand new Nexen 215/75R16C for £67.00 plus carriage and fitting. They have just won a European award for this tyre so should be a good one. If we uprate the GVW then we may go to 235's.

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Re roof aerial, ditch it, plug the hole, and put one in the wing, it's always going to get hit by branches etc on the roof.
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It's going to be heavy rain tomorrow, so I might run up the farm later and pull the headlining out and have a look.

Also thinking about taking those side skirts off, they are quite close to the ground, not good on rough sites.

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My goodness Peter.....you don't hang around do you! At this rate you will have everything done in a few weeks!!!

It is so useful to have people like you and Kev on the website. - People who really know what they are doing!

Keep the up-dates coming.......and some photos of the 'finished article' from you as well Kev please. I am always interested to see how things turn out!

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Ha Ha, you made me titter Woody, I did not and do not have a clue, the van built itself literally, I just held the tools and somehow it got built, with a humongous amount of head scratching and questions on SBMCC.

Peter now he does at least have a clue.


I'd not noticed the side skirts Peter, but I'd be inclined to look at how they're fixed, and take the tools to do the job if it proves a problem, as it does look more like an MH that way, it'll hide the under body tank etc better too, there might be some ugly attachment point to get rid of too, if they have to come off, I'm sure that they would go in the nearest bin.




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They are bolted to the bottom on the existing side panels.

Without:



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Spent an hour looking at what looks like a water leak in the roof, three aerials or remains of, but all looked tight so couldn't do a lot for now:



Back axle is rather large:



Suitably large steel pressings for the towbar, but I think the lump of channel welded in between is not Mercedes' style!

 

Shot across the back under the floor, loads of steelwork for the floor support:

 

Floor tracks for wheelchairs, staying put at present:



Four large 24V flourescents in the roof:



Batteries under the seat, bit of a mess. I'll have to get in there with some Bicarbonate of Soda to neutralise that lot:

 

Underneath the seat:



Accumulated verdegris down by the seat fixings:



Looks like the alternator is overcharging, both batteries have got vent tubes fitted.

More work!

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Do you know anyone who's good with charging and batteries Peter, there's a bloke on MHF if you get stuck [wink] [wink] [thumb]
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Do you know anyone who's good with charging and batteries Peter, there's a bloke on MHF if you get stuck [wink] [wink] [thumb]


I wonder.... [biggrin][biggrin]

Typical lack of maintenance. In my day as a truck fitter we would have them out, clean the box and repaint AND sort the charging out. I hope those batteries aren't boiled dry.

I've put the seting up on ebay, singles and doubles and they all have integral seat belts. Blues have lap belts, grey.brown have 3-point diagonal, all inertia reel types.

All straighforward to fit with bolts through the floor.

Single Brown Seat Ebay 121418615450
Single Blue Seat Ebay 121418617435
Double Brown Seat Ebay 121418616340
Double Blue Seat Ebay 121418618025













£15 starting price for singles and £25 starting price for doubles. Start at 8pm tonight.

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Getting error messages on the first two Peter are they on now or scheduled.
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Start at 8pm, see above.

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Doh, Specsavers are getting fed up of me [frown] [frown]
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