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Back to the original post Confused. I think talking to people with motorhomes whilst using your caravan is an excellent idea. If you are not in a rush to buy, then you have got time to do your research.

Re your idea of downsizing Sandbagsid, we have friends who imported a VW van from Germany last year and had it converted by a specialist company in Devon. The reason they did this was to be able to use it as their 'second car' rather than running three vehicles. The conversion is ok but the space is very limited. They always have to use campsites, and end up eating out most of the time. - They have never got enough food on board for more than a couple of days due to fridge/cupboard restrictions. I think they are starting to have some regrets about their purchase. I appreciate there are two of them in the van, and maybe with just one person space is not such an issue, but I think that if one wants to go away for more than a week at a time, a panel van can be very cramped. As others have said......all vans are a compromise. I guess the question is whether or not you want to use your van a lot, and if you want the freedom of not using campsites. (Even Aires in France would be difficult without a decent loo, fridge etc). It might be worth the extra cost of running another vehicle if you get lots of use out of your van to justify it.


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I suppose it's down to what the runabout vehicle is, these days there is no need to have a new car every few years, but wisely and with modern tech they are good for 10 years at least, our Kia is plenty comfortable, 58 plate Cee'd 3 38k on the clock when bought, (58k now) A/C cruise control 50+mpg, we may get another one similar age, road tax £20 per month, insurance £165, cheap motoring, certainly cheaper than running a MoHo as a runabout.
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I suppose it's down to what the runabout vehicle is, these days there is no need to have a new car every few years, but wisely and with modern tech they are good for 10 years at least, our Kia is plenty comfortable, 58 plate Cee'd 3 38k on the clock when bought, (58k now) A/C cruise control 50+mpg, we may get another one similar age, road tax £20 per month, insurance £165, cheap motoring, certainly cheaper than running a MoHo as a runabout.


'Similar minds' Kev! My little VW Polo is X reg! I have had it since new and it is still a 'good runner.' The total cost (including MOT certificate) to keep it on the road last year was £60 plus tax and insurance.

Off to Wales today for the day. Will pm you with the info from the van tomorrow Kev.

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The last few posts made me smile. My run around is a 61 plate Citroen C1 VTR. Another tiny car. £20 per year road tax cheap insurance 60 to 65 MPG. Very economical.
But what made me smile was the switching over from a rather large motorhome to a tiny car. Looks like a lot of us do it.  [smile]

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I seem to have more difficulty switching back to the car though.
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I suppose it's down to what the runabout vehicle is, these days there is no need to have a new car every few years, but wisely and with modern tech they are good for 10 years at least, our Kia is plenty comfortable, 58 plate Cee'd 3 38k on the clock when bought, (58k now) A/C cruise control 50+mpg, we may get another one similar age, road tax £20 per month, insurance £165, cheap motoring, certainly cheaper than running a MoHo as a runabout.


You must mean twenty pounds per year Kev tax, surely not per month for a 58 plate Cee,d.
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Back to the original post Confused. I think talking to people with motorhomes whilst using your caravan is an excellent idea. If you are not in a rush to buy, then you have got time to do your research.

Re your idea of downsizing Sandbagsid, we have friends who imported a VW van from Germany last year and had it converted by a specialist company in Devon. The reason they did this was to be able to use it as their 'second car' rather than running three vehicles. The conversion is ok but the space is very limited. They always have to use campsites, and end up eating out most of the time. - They have never got enough food on board for more than a couple of days due to fridge/cupboard restrictions. I think they are starting to have some regrets about their purchase. I appreciate there are two of them in the van, and maybe with just one person space is not such an issue, but I think that if one wants to go away for more than a week at a time, a panel van can be very cramped. As others have said......all vans are a compromise. I guess the question is whether or not you want to use your van a lot, and if you want the freedom of not using campsites. (Even Aires in France would be difficult without a decent loo, fridge etc). It might be worth the extra cost of running another vehicle if you get lots of use out of your van to justify it.




A vw van is very cramped Woody but not all panel vans are.
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You must mean twenty pounds per year Kev tax, surely not per month for a 58 plate Cee,d.


I wish, but I think it's £20 pm for the van and £10 pm for the car.

And Its Road tax Pul, I have no taxes [biggrin] [biggrin] [biggrin]

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Just dug out the DVLA emailed PDFs of the payment schedule.

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Right, you paid twenty a month for the Kia you said, ten quid you meant.

I pay 30 quid a year road tax for my little 2005 plate diesel yaris, 66 mpg too, 70mpg on run, super duper. I need it as I do a lot of miles for work but I claim most of back at 45pence per mile.
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The road tax thing is a real rip off, has been for decades, they even stopped calling it a road fund licence, now it's a vehicle tax, if they start taxing farts I'm in big trouble.

I think the next idea they'll have is taxation based on a vehicles age, older will be more expensive as it'll pollute more, but the opposite is true in reality as they have already been made which is a the biggest pollution in any cars life, even scrapping them causes pollution.

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A vw van is very cramped Woody but not all panel vans are.


I agree Paul. The VW really doesn't have much space inside, but a family member has a purpose built panel van.....just for her and the little dog.......and it is adequate for her needs. - Having said that, she is using it more these days so thinking of changing it for a small C Class. If nothing else, they give you a bit more headroom and feeling of space.

Not having been on the site for a few weeks I might have missed something.......
Have you got a new van yet?

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Not having been on the site for a few weeks I might have missed something.......

Confussed has already said he,s decided against a pvc and is buying a new van when he,s less confussed
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Confussed has already said he,s decided against a pvc and is buying a new van when he,s less confussed


Thanks Witzend!

I hope your holiday is still going well?

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Thanks Witzend!

I hope your holiday is still going well?

Yes fine thanks see i,m a bit heavy on the sss button
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Still confused but getting there. We have been looking at various vans both coach and panel style and narrowed it down to one with 4 wheels.Now being serious our main criteria is storing it at home and my wife doesn't want a fixed bed. We like the end lounge layout with the option of 2 singles or a large double.
We have measured our garden and a 6.5m van will fit. The PVC van being slightly narrower is an advantage. We wouldn't be able to get anything longer onto our drive due to the angle and width of the road.
So end result is we have booked an appointment beginning of July at Wildax conversions as their Europa van ticks most of our boxes. The company also seems to have a very good reputation and will build within reason to our spec. So we shall see how that goes.
Can't go earlier as it's just past our 45th wedding anniversary and we're of on a river cruise my wife booked a year ago.
Will let you know how we get on with the van that is. Although if anyone's interested I'll let you know about the cruise. Not sure about the cruise, not used to not being in control and following a timetable. Going from Berlin so have to fly. Hate all the hoops you need to go through these days.
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No doubt you have given this a lot of thought Confused. - You have considered everything before coming back to your original post! It shows you have been open minded to all possibilities in that you have looked at both PVC's and coach-built ones. Your drive size is 'all important', Go and enjoy your cruise, then update us on your visit to Wildax after your visit. Don't forget that there are some coach-built rear lounge vans out there that are even less than 6m in length! Hopefully you have seen some? That difference in width on your drive also makes a difference when you are inside the van!

Happy anniversary by the way.

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Having had a PVC and coachbuilds I can see both sides, for parking the PVC wins hands down, but not by much, for everything else give me space inside.

One serious downfall for a PVC is rust, or accident damage needing welding, and they do still suffer from damp, but it's all behind the panels, the slightest hole in the damp proof membrane (if they fitted one) and that steam from your morning cuppa can get through to the outer skin, and rust away unseen for years, insulation is also a massive point to consider, for both hot days and freezing cold days. I've looked at some being built and I've seen sleeping mat type materials and rockwool being used, and even kingspan, none are of any use in a tin can, there is only one solution which is used in building but for this tale also in canal boats is closed cell spray foam, and to my knowledge no one except some self builder use this method due to cost. 

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Width is fairly critical for me and I've noted that quite a few manufacturers (Hymer in particular) have produced coachbuilt models which are virtually the same footprint as a panel van. Because they don't have the 'tumblehome' of a van they have a more spacious feel inside as well as more overhead storage space.
     

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Width is a good point to mention, but not knowing which Hymer you refer to Ernie, I went for the smallest and it's 2.22m [7' 2 7/8''] wide, a Kontiki is 2.35 [7' 8'']both not including mirrors a difference 5 1/8'' it could mean the difference of getting it on the drive or not, could always move I suppose.
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I've just checked the width of panel vans which is 2.05 so that another 6 inches saved, however as someone mentioned 6" can make more of a difference inside than outside[wink]  
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