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hi all 



well its all to much for me 

here is my view on what (MAY) happen 

living in the m/home in portugal during the winter may not be possible for us after the end of march

im wondering what others are thinking of doing

i for 1 with commitments in portugal and the possibility of only 3 months max stay in europe am thinking, bugger it and spend the kids' inheritance and start to travel the world and just pop into portugal now and then

hopefully, it will not come to that but who knows what will happen next year

think of it this way all of calais will be chocker block with expats trying to get a ferry back home,

the country will be swamped with second-hand caravans and motorhomes and the expats will be in long queues at the council offices asking for a council house as they have nowhere to live and the council running out of money paying for temporary accommodation for them

fingers crossed it wont be like that  and we will be able to enjoy europe  without problems

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Just stay there and say you’re a refugee and want asylum like they all do
When they come here, might even get some benefits 😂 Barry.

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I know we stay off politics on here, but you have posed a good question Barry. I won’t upset anyone by mentioning the B word, but life could change for a lot of motorhome owners should the 90 day rule come in to force. It will also be even be harder for people with pets to travel in Europe if extra blood tests etc are imposed. (No spontaity any more .... to start with!).

Many people bought motorhomes to tour Europe, and lots of those folk, (like OH and I), did it because we wanted to take our pets with us. Others wanted to spend many months at a time living in Spain, Portugal etc without the cost of buying a house or renting a property out there. These are the people whose lifestyles will be ‘hit’ most by the 90 day rule. U.K. citizens who own a property and live full time in EU countries will probably be able to apply for citizenship and stay. (No guarantee of course). The rest of us will have 90 days at a time in the EU if we are lucky!

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I Is gonna tell em I is an illegal immigrant and got no money so they can pay
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I think you should join in on the Brexit thread on Facts Barry, they are very informed if a bit argumental, and this subject has been covered on there.

Personally, I don't think much will change on the ground, all the other countries in Europe will not want to lose the influx of the British pound, and implementing change will take a very long time not overnight despite what the governments want, and anyway are the local fuzz going to be checking all GB registered vehicles, and if you overstay what will they do about it? send you home, not much more they can do unless they criminalise it.



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I must agree with our very esteemed Bear, don't think much will change except for pets.
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hi kev



thanks for the suggestion of  facts but i would not want to get upset at all the bickering that goes on there

SO MUCH NICER HERE  and im under the opinion that  i cannot change what happens anyway 

regarding  the  suggestion about the local fuzz  as you said here

(anyway are the local fuzz going to be checking all GB registered vehicles, and if you overstay what will they do about it? send you home, not much more they can do unless they criminalise it.)

they have already started in the Algarve assisted by the DVLA ,    cars were stopped and confiscated a couple of weeks ago
as they were not fully legal,  either no ROAD TAX, MOT or INSURANCE  cover for extended stays inside Europe and they know how long the cars have been outside the uk

 

we have been getting away with it for years so far and it hope it continues for a long time yet

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I must agree with our very esteemed Bear, don't think much will change except for pets.


I seriously think that the pets will not be giving a crap, well except the ones they nicely leave their owners to pick up.

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hi kev



thanks for the suggestion of  facts but i would not want to get upset at all the bickering that goes on there

SO MUCH NICER HERE  and im under the opinion that  i cannot change what happens anyway 

regarding  the  suggestion about the local fuzz  as you said here

(anyway are the local fuzz going to be checking all GB registered vehicles, and if you overstay what will they do about it? send you home, not much more they can do unless they criminalise it.)

they have already started in the Algarve assisted by the DVLA ,    cars were stopped and confiscated a couple of weeks ago
as they were not fully legal,  either no ROAD TAX, MOT or INSURANCE  cover for extended stays inside Europe and they know how long the cars have been outside the uk

 

we have been getting away with it for years so far and it hope it continues for a long time yet

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A bit silly not having the MOT and insurance, I'd SORN it halfway across the channel though, and un SORN it on the return.

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I believe that if your vehicle does not conform to UK regs while across the water, ie taxed, or MOT’d, then should you be involved in an incident your insurance company will put 2 fingers up to you, and you are effectively uninsured. Do this at your peril. Not for me thanks.
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hi kev i think simon is right


from what i know a vehicle must be legal in the country of registration to be legal in europe

i remember once reading this on the back of 1 of my insurance policy

some here have  english registered cars have english insurance no road tax and a Portuguese mot which will not be legal in the uk
and i doubt would be legal in portugal  anyway


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Oh dear me you are being rather naive about not much changing, but I'm not getting involved in here.
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I think you should join in on the Brexit thread on Facts Barry, they are very informed if a bit argumental, and this subject has been covered on there.

Personally, I don't think much will change on the ground, all the other countries in Europe will not want to lose the influx of the British pound, and implementing change will take a very long time not overnight despite what the governments want, and anyway are the local fuzz going to be checking all GB registered vehicles, and if you overstay what will they do about it? send you home, not much more they can do unless they criminalise it.




This is just for everyone’s information.

Our U.K. friends who live in Greece for six months of the year have a Canadian friend out there. He is only entitled to stay for 90 days within the Shengen area. He usually only visits Greece for a couple of months, but this year decided to stay on for almost another month. As he was at the airport departing, he was told that he had stayed for the full 90 days, and had he stayed another day the fine would have been £100 per day. (That might have been 100 Euros......and I might have misheard the cost from my friend!).

Any ‘overstay’ IS recorded. Technology enables this to happen very easily. - It is not like the old days when a man in a kiosk stared at the photo in your passport and waved you through. I am sure these days there are computer programmes that do the search for people over staying the 90 day period, - even with flights, let alone for foreign registered vehicles.

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O dear big brother is watching us everywhere we go now. Always said this techie stuff
was bad news for us.♠️🛃🔒

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I said them barcodes would be trouble, one day we'll be branded at birth.
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Ya probably got that right Kev 🧸
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hi kev i think simon is right


from what i know a vehicle must be legal in the country of registration to be legal in europe

i remember once reading this on the back of 1 of my insurance policy

some here have  english registered cars have english insurance no road tax and a Portuguese mot which will not be legal in the uk
and i doubt would be legal in portugal  anyway


barry




Simon is right. Under the Vienna Convention on Road Traffic, only if a vehicle is fully legal in its home country can it be used legally on the roads of the host country, so if your UK registered vehicle requires a RFL, MOT and insurance to be on the road in the UK, then it must have these when on the roads in another country otherwise the authorities there can impound your vehicle, fine you, perhaps even jail you - oh, and without an MOT (if your UK vehicle is over 3 years old) your insurance is void so you are personally liable for any damages.

Another thing, you can't SORN your vehicle  if you are using it on the road in another country - the DVLA can fine you, and your vehicle is not legal to be on the road in that other country

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Mine does that sometimes to. I think anyone would be pretty stupid not to have
all the legal stuff on their van weather here or abroad as you say no MOT equals
no insurance so anything happens you’re in big dodo.

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I wonder what will happen in n/ireland as i cross the border often into donegal and they down there stayed in the euro union,hope big brother not watching me or im stuffed,fact is we here are working for a pen border outside agreement and unionist gov up here are holding p/minister by the short and curleys,no chance of us letting go either.[extreme-happiness-smiley-emoticon]
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Thanks for fixing my post Kev. Dunno why it did that.
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Nor me Sean but when I opened it to edit, the icon for format align center was highlighted, I just aligned it left.
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Oh, formatting - that's techie stuff and beyond me it seems.

I've been trying to get Microsoft Word to format stuff the way I want it but it won't. Well it will, until I load the document into the  Kindle Preview extension, then the original of the whole doc's formatting goes daft and you can't change it back to how it was.

Tiresome stuff this technology lark.
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I'm with you on that one Sean I find it all a pain in the
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Behave you know you love it all.

It is good for the brain to learn new things.

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