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The spec for the oil for my motorhome is 0W30 ACEA C2.

Oil change is coming up and I have enough good quality  0W30 ACEA A5/B5 to do the job. The question is will the oil cause any damage due to the incorrect ACEA classification?

How sure can you be that if you take it to a garage for an oil change that they will use the specified  ACEA classification for every vehicle they service? Somehow I yearn for those days when a straightforward Duckhams 20/50 oil seemed to be ok for any engine. 
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We have our van serviced at the dealership. I am sure it isn't the cheapest way to do it, but at least we know everything is done properly. - Sometimes peace of mind is worth paying for! You are right Ray.....gone are the days of good old Duckhams 20/50 for all. 🙄
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Ray. Until 3 years ago I managed parts supply for a large independent motor factor. As a consequence we stocked a myriad of different specification oils - I wouldn’t mind guessing 30 different ones for just the most common ranges of cars. 


my recommendation to you is to use what the manufacturers recommend and stick with it. I have been told that use of brand A instead of brand B can cause problems with the Cat. or the DPF down the line. I’m not prepared to argue the toss and just use whatever I have to hand  

it may not seem so at first, but oil is actually quite a cheap commodity in comparison to having to replace major units.  

have they changed the spec. yet again on these engines, mine is 2011 2.3jtd and is using 5w30 C2. Maybe you’ve got a DPF and now on 0w30 C2.

its a minefield and you need to be careful with what you use. 

until I left there I knew of several of the “back street motors“ who would only fill with our cheapest 10w30 despite our advice not to. As a consequence every time they purchased oil from us we would mark the invoice “oil supplied per customer’s specification” so there could be no come back on us. All of the parts supplied using the vehicle reg. no. had traceability back to the online parts lists, including oils. 


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No idea what a 07 relay 2.2 uses.
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5w40 c2 according to castrol
fiat say 5w30 c2

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5w40 c2 according to castrol
fiat say 5w30 c2

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Is that in answer to me Barry?

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Is that in answer to me Barry?





hi kev

yes

i was in a hurry  

look here this explains the difference between the oils

https://www.oilspecifications.org/acea.php

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Thansk Barry, the engine in my Citroen relay is the 2.2 Transit engine not a Fiat one.


hi kev

the ducato 2.2 engine is indeed a ford puma derived engine with slight differences



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hi kev


the ducato 2.2 engine is indeed a ford puma derived engine with slight differences


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Im told the relay has different engine to the fiat.
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hi kev

as  far as i know all the sevel vans from 2007 to 2012 with the 2.2 engine are all the ford puma engine that has a timing chain

some are 100hp some are 120hp

the 2.3 engine is  130hp but has a timing belt

the peugeot based van i cleaned up a while ago was  2011  2.2 120hp but it was the same ford puma engine

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Hmm every day is a school day.

What are you like on clutches.

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hi kev

as  far as i know all the sevel vans from 2007 to 2012 with the 2.2 engine are all the ford puma engine that has a timing chain

some are 100hp some are 120hp


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The 100bhp /2.2 as used in Fiat, Peugot and Citroen variants is a Puma engine. 
The Fiat Ducato 120bhp / 2.2 engine [120 multijet] is an IVECO . It has a timing belt.
The Peugeot and Citroen 120bhp / 2.2 engine [ 2.2HDI] are Puma


See the link specifically 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_Ducato

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What are you like on crutches.


have you hurt your leg? [biggrin]



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You are very bad man...
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2.2 are all ford puma as i read it

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2007–2010
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ModelEngineDisplacementValvetrainFuel systemMax. power at rpmMax. torque at rpm
Diesel engines
100 Multijet/2.2 HDiFord Puma2,198 ccDOHC 16vCommon rail direct fuel injection100 PS (74 kW; 99 hp) @ 2,900 rpm250 N⋅m (180 lb⋅ft) @ 1,500 rpm
120 Multijet1Iveco F1AE0481D2,287 ccDOHC 16vCommon rail direct fuel injection120 PS (88 kW; 120 hp) @ 3,600 rpm320 N⋅m (240 lb⋅ft) @ 2,000 rpm
2.2 HDi2Ford Puma2,198 ccDOHC 16vCommon rail direct fuel injection120 PS (88 kW; 120 hp) @ 3,500 rpm320 N⋅m (240 lb⋅ft) @ 2,000 rpm
130 Multijet1Iveco F1AE0481N2,287 ccDOHC 16vCommon rail direct fuel injection130 PS (96 kW; 130 hp) @ 3,600 rpm320 N⋅m (240 lb⋅ft) @ 2,000 rpm
160 Multijet/3.0 HDiIveco F1CE0481D2,999 ccDOHC 16vCommon rail direct fuel injection157 PS (115 kW; 155 hp) @ 3,500 rpm400 N⋅m (300 lb⋅ft) @ 1,400 rpm
CNG engines
140 Natural PowerIveco F1C2,999 ccDOHC 16vMPI Indirect injection136 PS (100 kW; 134 hp) @ 2,700 rpm350 N⋅m (260 lb⋅ft) @ 1,500 rpm

1 Only for Fiat Ducato
2 Only for Citroën Jumper and Peugeot Boxer

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