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If and when we do move onto another van I think we may go up market a bit and go post 06 ducato Based, not interested in the Transits really, Poss Sprinter.

So I'm looking for problems anyone has had with the base vehicle, the 2.8Jtd is mainly bullet proof if looked after, and mostly even if not it's still solid.

Are the later ones any better, if so what year did they get better?

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The 2.8 jtd was bullet proof due to its simplicity. The later 2.3 and 3.0 have the complex electronic sensors which can cause problems especially with the earlier ones due to the well documented water in the engine bay (poor scuttle design) fixed around 2013 I think.
The diesel filters are also prone to burst seals. Mine burst upon arrival at a brand new campsite spreading diesel all over the place!
The X250 chassis also seem prone to premature clutch wear.

Having said all that my old 2.8jtd did not have air con or cruise control. The doors were drafty, heater was hopeless, seats uncomfortable. clutch and gear change very heavy, engine a bit rough and noisy. All these issues were fixed on the 2.3 X250 about 2006 was the change over year.



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Thanks Trevor.

Yeah, 06 was the new model year, my 2.8 Jtd gears and clutch seem okay to me, but been driving them for 10 years so maybe just used to them, not car like but not horrid though, if you thought the jtd was harsh and rough go try a 2.8 idtd although only 6hp down on the Jtd take ear plugs.

Kontiki had AC, I'd like to get that again.

Still need more infor

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Hi Kev, Its just what you are used to. I had a 2.8jtd for 10 years and thought the clutch and gears were fine until I drove the new 2.3 multijet
and noticed the difference. Also used to get back pain on long drives due to the seats and driving position. No problems on the present van,
BUT my old 2.8jtd never missed a beat in 10 years and had nothing done but oil changes and a routine timing belt replacement.
In the first year with my 2.3 I have had water in the engine bay, electrical gremlins, and the split fuel filter. Now I think my clutch
is on its way out after just 21,000 miles on the clock.
Hopefully cured the water problems now by sealing the plastic scuttle and adding extra drain hole.


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I'm convinced that all new vans are pretty much alike and when buying a motorhome it's better to get the hab area that suits you and if S/H in good condition 
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Wow, you come into a bit of money Kev, thought you were old school engineering.
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My 2003 2.8jtd drove, steered and braked like an old tractor in comparison to my 2011 2.3multijet which is so very car like. Sorry, all you 2.8 owners but I wouldn't trade backwards.
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Wow, you come into a bit of money Kev, thought you were old school engineering.


Do please try to keep up Paul, I flogged the Kontiki [wink] [wink]

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Having had the 07 Relay I agree it is a nice drive, but that's a preference, what I'm after is problems with later ones  06 or 07 maybe 08 if we can stretch, I already know about reverse judder and scuttle gate, but what other issues has anyone had?
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Early X250's suffered from throttle valve problems, yes you've guessed it, water ingress into the electrickery and moving bits [biggrin] 

To be fair I've not had the problem myself but as soon as I got my van I smothered the valve in ignition sealer (the stuff we used to have to spray on distributer caps and HT leads) It's apparently a pig to change (poor access to one of the bolts) as well as expensive.

The valve was redesigned around 2010/11 to eliminate the problem.


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Handbrake cables cn stretch to the extent that the handbrake becomes too poor to pass MOT. I had mine adjusted with new shoes and it is just abut ok now. I understand that the cables are expensive, however I am told there are manufacturers in the UK who can make them to order cheaper and faster than the manufacturer supplied ones so not an insurmountable issue.
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Why make the cables so long though on any van, linkage and rods would be better once you get through the floor.
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Now now kev a lot of the old cars had just the setup
you are suggesting but there is a lot more profit in
using a long stretchy cable that we have to pay a
fortunate to replace , so no more good ideas like that
or the motor industry will be knocking on your door.

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Me nah, never meant that at all, but some do have that method as it's cheaper to build too, and I have NEVER had to have a new handbrake cable fitted as I was taught how to use one, some people jerk them on really hard, they should be pulled gently until it stops, on a flat road they need little or no effort, steep hill a bit more but always gently.
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